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An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield, Eng,

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:18 pm
by Mossdancer
A Great old piece of history, My Great Great Grandpa might have been scalped by one of it's earlier relatives in West Texas in 1885 or there about. This one is at least 26 years newer as you will see from the tang. It has the four peppercorn X with a diamond (important to note this diamond is standing vertical). The earlier ones were on their sides. It is also marked with I. Wilson Sycamore St. Sheffield, England. This would definitely put the age at 1891 or after. It is fully hammer forged it tapers from front to back and from top to bottom. My research says the six rivets on the short tang denotes the knife was possibly around or even before 1900. I Don't plan on doing anything to it or with it other than enjoy for awhile. Please take a look and let me know what you think.
moss

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:59 am
by Iron Hoarder
Good knife. Give it a good clean up and put it in the kitchen.

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:41 pm
by knives-are-quiet
JW

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:24 pm
by Mossdancer
Thank for the suggestion re the kitchen but I have been accumulating these old guys for several years now and my cutlery drawer is already full.
The first I have seen of the displayed chart, thank you.
moss

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:18 pm
by smiling-knife
Nice one Moss. This may be of interest to you. I hope all is well.

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Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:25 pm
by Mossdancer
Thanks Steve:
All is well other than politics here in the new land. You are fine I suspect hopefully.
When the chance occurs would you please post a link to the site the brochure came from.
moss

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:44 pm
by smiling-knife
Hi Moss I am well thanks. The source of this ad is The Sheffield Knife Book, A History and Collectors' Guide by Geoffrey Tweedale. The Hallamshire Press, 1996.

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:36 pm
by Mossdancer
Thanks
moss

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:03 pm
by TripleF
Wondering if I might be allowed to post this sharpening steel we've had in our drawer since my wife and I were married 24 years ago, and was given to her by her father who was a popular chef in the northeast years ago.

Stamp reads:
Peppercoorn symbol (4 circles around an "x") then a diamond.
I. Wilson
Sycamore St.
Sheffield England

I just used it and she's a dandy!

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:23 pm
by Mossdancer
Post any you want. That is a nice looking piece you got there.
moss

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:30 pm
by smiling-knife
Very knice old sharpening steel. Thanks for posting it. Do you know what the handle is made from? :D

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:35 pm
by TripleF
Wood.

can you date this?

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:53 pm
by smiling-knife
Looks similar to the far right steel in the 1919 ad. Plus or minus 10 years perhaps ::shrug::

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:09 am
by Billie T.
Hello Everyone,

I am relatively new to the board, but I've found it very interesting.

On the thread conceding I. (John) Wilson, one contributed attached a jpeg:

JOHN WILSON
Sheffield
(1892) - (1919)
Cutlery in general
Ref. 1892, 1919, 1974

And then below the wording, there were what appeared to be four different trademarks for John Wilson.

Does anyone know when each of these trademarks were used by the John Wilson company in Sheffield.

Thank you in advance for all your help.
Bill Thompson

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:02 am
by Mossdancer
Bill
Just hold on for awhile and someone will more than likely come along who can answer your question.
moss

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:45 am
by Mason
Mossdancer wrote:A Great old piece of history, My Great Great Grandpa might have been scalped by one of it's earlier relatives in West Texas in 1885 or there about. This one is at least 26 years newer as you will see from the tang. It has the four peppercorn X with a diamond (important to note this diamond is standing vertical). The earlier ones were on their sides. It is also marked with I. Wilson Sycamore St. Sheffield, England. This would definitely put the age at 1891 or after. It is fully hammer forged it tapers from front to back and from top to bottom. My research says the six rivets on the short tang denotes the knife was possibly around or even before 1900. I Don't plan on doing anything to it or with it other than enjoy for awhile. Please take a look and let me know what you think.
moss
The "John Wilson" cutlery company was a well respected English firm which specialized in butcher and various meat knives. Here is a catalog cut from circa 1900 that shows your example which was called a "Steak or Bacon Knife". You can see that it was offered in several configurations and yours appears to be the half tang model either no. 1700 or 1736 (each with iron pins) depending on the type of wood for your handle.

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield,

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:38 pm
by HiPower
i. wilson was one of the best butcher knives ever made by forging methods. it was asked for by name by many buffalo skinners. american blade had an article written by lee burke on the quality of these knives [70s].thet used the double shear steel forged process. in short the iron strips were laid in a hot box & sprinkled with charcoal. the carbon from the charcoal transferred to the surface of the iron by high heat [also called blister steel]. they then forged the pieces into slender rods & once again repeated the charcoal process then forged the pieces into bars to be forged into knives. as late as the 20s Sears catalogued the I.Wilson knives. world famous for their edge holding. this occured much later than the use of the english invention of crucible steel which most 19th & 20th century knives were made from. HiPower

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield, Eng,

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:02 am
by ronk35016
I know this is an old thread but I'm new to this forum and I have sooo many knives I want to share! Thanks
I know this is an old thread but I'm new to this forum and I have sooo many knives I want to share! Thanks

Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield, Eng,

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:05 am
by ronk35016
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Re: An Old Clip point Butcher By I.(John) Wilson Sheffield, Eng,

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:28 am
by Mossdancer
Thanks for your post and bringing this old thread forward. Many new members since the start date, maybe it will spark some interest from them.
moss