I Think I'm Happy With This One

[RobesonsRme.com]

Dimitri, one never actually pays too much for a great knife, they just buy it too soon.

Charlie Noyes

[bronze4u]

Wow! great score! One of the nicest bails I have seen on any small knife! Congrat's!

[kootenay joe]

I think the phillips head is to adjust the ski bindings. The 10th Mtn. had to know how to travel uphill as well as downhill on really long old stiff skis.
kj

[kootenay joe]

Here are 2 knives that i think are loosely related to the OP knife.
Both are 3 3/8". The Ulster/Knife/Co has the same blade set up as OP knife except sheepsfoot blade is replaced by cap lifter/screw driver. There are 3 springs but only 1 divider so 2 of the springs are tightly applied to each other. This marking indicates before Albert Baer bought Ulster, so before 1941 and therefore earlier than 10th Mtn Division knife ?
I doubt it is earlier, but that's what the markings say.
The Imperial marking shows it to be no older than 1956; handles are plastic, may or may not be Delrin. I cannot see any evidence of a blade etch but the shield looks to be a BSA "Be Prepared" but without the words. This knife has the 3 'blades' at the master end and there is a divider between each of the 3 springs.
Is this a BSA knife ?
kj

[tjmurphy]

I'm excited. The old girl's out for delivery this morning!!

[tjmurphy]

Awesome TJ, love that heavy-duty bail! Is the phillips screwdriver welded or secured with pins? Always nice finding a hens tooth!

Hey BG, I've looked the knife over as best I can with my tired old eyes and can see no pins attaching the phillips screw driver blade. It is either welded in place or constructed as a one-piece unit.

[bestgear]

Nice TJ, I'm glad you have it in hand. Thanks for the answer about the Phillips, I've seen all 3 with ulsters (1 piece, pinned and welded) and it assists with dating. Since your posting I became curious about the U.S. Army's 10th Mountain Division. A good brief history can be found here: http://www.drum.army.mil/AboutFortDrum/ ... y_lv3.aspx

Thanks for sharing your HG find.

[Knife Nut]

Congratulations TJ. That is a beauty.
Tough to find any of the three in excellent or better condition. For what you paid you got a real bargain!

Paul

[kootenay joe]

Anyone able to give any info on the Ulster & Imperial i posted above ? e.g. is Ulster pre, during or post WW II ? & how might it be related to 10th Division knives.
And is the Imperial an official BSA knife ?
kj

[bestgear]

I can't tell you much about your unofficial Scout Roland but your official Scout is circa 1963-1972.

[tjmurphy]

Anyone able to give any info on the Ulster & Imperial i posted above ? e.g. is Ulster pre, during or post WW II ? & how might it be related to 10th Division knives.
And is the Imperial an official BSA knife ?
kj

From what I've read in my info search on the 10th Mountain, I think that it was decided that your bone handled knife was made from left over parts for retail sale in the early 50's. The stamps on your knife and mine are a little different. You say yours is stamped - ULSTER/Knife/Co and mine is stamped - ULSTER/Knife Co./U.S.A. It would really be great if someone had a tang stamp chart for ULSTER Knives.

[wazu013]

These aren't mine but here's the whole group of them.

[tjmurphy]

There's at least one more. According to Silvey, this was the prototype.

[Tsar Bomba]

If the sheepsfoot models go for over $1000 just shoot me now.

[kootenay joe]

I have read the same think about Ulster putting out a civilian issue of a 10th Mtn. Div. like knife after end of WW II. They must have been using some parts, the clip blade at least, made prior to 1941.
Dwight Devine used "Ulster Knife Co." marking. He sold to Albert Baer in 1941 and the agreement was that Albert would not use "Ulster Knife Co." Hence after 1941 blades were marked "Ulster Knife", or "Ulster Co."
The blade in my above Ulster has the pre 1941 marking: "Ulster/Knife/Co".
kj

Edit to add: I think the "U.S.A." on your 10th Mtn. Div. knife is for "United States Army"

[tjmurphy]

I have read the same think about Ulster putting out a civilian issue of a 10th Mtn. Div. like knife after end of WW II. They must have been using some parts, the clip blade at least, made prior to 1941.
Dwight Devine used "Ulster Knife Co." marking. He sold to Albert Baer in 1941 and the agreement was that Albert would not use "Ulster Knife Co." Hence after 1941 blades were marked "Ulster Knife", or "Ulster Co."
The blade in my above Ulster has the pre 1941 marking: "Ulster/Knife/Co".
kj

Edit to add: I think the "U.S.A." on your 10th Mtn. Div. knife is for "United States Army"

If that be true, where (date) would you put a 2-line stamp? Or was it 2 lines just to accomodate the U.S.A. third line?

[montemojo]

Grest looking knives,could this be one of the knives ya'll are discussing?

Hope this helps. It also has U.S.A on the bail.
Monte

[kootenay joe]

I just know the 1941 date after which "Ulster Knife Co." was no longer to be the tang marking.
For trying to date a post 1941 knife i look at the whole knife. I don't know if the few variations in stamping after 1941 can be used to establish date.
Albert Baer went on to buy Schrade Cut Co in 1946 and renamed it Schrade Walden. He kept the Ulster branding going into 1970's or even ' 80's and i think the later Ulsters were actually made by Schrade.
kj

[tjmurphy]

I would say that it is one of those after war put together knives made with left-over parts.

OOPS!! Didn't see the last line under the pics. The USA on the bail makes you go lf you look at the prototype knife pictured you'll note the "skinny" bail. I guess it could go either way for those who really do not know the history of the knife, like me. Maybe someone will come along who knows. HEY DIMITRI!! Can you come out and play?!

[montemojo]

Thanks , I was lost when I found this one. I hope we can get it figured out. It also has brass pins and brass liners this information might help narrow it down.

Monte

[montemojo]

The proto type has the early can opener mine has the later version. I also have the small sheepfoot and the punch on mine is like the punch on the prototype. I think I am getting more confused. My guess is its after WW2. Because of the can opener and the brass pins.

Monte

[Miller Bro's]

It also has U.S.A on the bail.
Monte

Can I see a pic of that?

[montemojo]

Here it is. My pics arent great and the U is almost gone.

Thanks, Monte

[montemojo]

I will get a hold of a decent camera and try to take a better picture tomorrow. The S has square edges my phone cant capture. If this turns out to be a real mtn div. knife then I practically stole this one at 15 bucks.

Monte

[tjmurphy]

I'm thinking, because of the bail, screw driver type, later can opener and the clip blade, that this is a post WWII put together knife. But, for fifteen bucks you still stole this knife. I'd loved to have found this one. Grrrrrrr8 find!!