Question/pic request
Question/pic request
I'm sort of in the market for a new-to-me knife, figured I'd ask for makers and pics before I spend any money. I'm looking for a larger (4.5" or larger) version of the serpentine-framed jackknife or trapper. The main blade needs to be a "California" or "Turkish" clip.
Anyone got suggestions as to makers to look for, or pictures they can post?
Thanks,
Jim
Anyone got suggestions as to makers to look for, or pictures they can post?
Thanks,
Jim
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Has to be Serpentine eh? 4 1/2" + hmmm.... Eye Brand made a large slim serpentine Stock 3 bld pocketknife comfy in hand and pocket, an old man talked me out of mine... Those old knife guys are slick.. I even told him it wasn't for sale and that it was my EDC and the blades were about gone on it.... I think that made him want it more, either that or he could tell I was hungry ..... It seems to me most serpentines are under 4.5" Here's a Pic of the one he got off with... Probably made in the 50's
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Jim,
this old Western comes to mind. They are very well made and the plastic handle wont break on you.
You get two good blades; one that may appeal to you.
It's Westerns hunter model and it's got a little serpentine going for it for good measure.
this old Western comes to mind. They are very well made and the plastic handle wont break on you.
You get two good blades; one that may appeal to you.
It's Westerns hunter model and it's got a little serpentine going for it for good measure.
Joe
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Thanks Reddirtknives, but for what I've got in mind, a stockman won't work. FRJ hit it on the nailhead: I want a trapper or jackknife with a clip blade the size of the one in the Western 062 hunter. The problem with the folding hunters is they are uncomfortably bulky compared to the lines of a serpentine trapper (and I'm just too used to the trapper).
Imagine the Western 691 trapper scaled up to the length of the 062. That strikes me as about perfect, about the maximum size I can comfortably carry in a pocket.
Thanks guys, please keep the ideas coming!
Jim
Imagine the Western 691 trapper scaled up to the length of the 062. That strikes me as about perfect, about the maximum size I can comfortably carry in a pocket.
Thanks guys, please keep the ideas coming!
Jim
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I never cared for the way toothpicks handle, and after getting stuck with one by a freelance wealth-redistribution specialist, I just can't find any desire to carry one. They might be a good source for a blade though, if I find serpentine frame in need of a blade.
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Jim,
sorry to hear about the encounter with that "specialist". I can understand how the knife would not appeal to you.
sorry to hear about the encounter with that "specialist". I can understand how the knife would not appeal to you.
Joe
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You could consider a Laguiole knife.They come in different handle sizes.Regards Gus.
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Here's a bigger trapper that I have up on the bay?
4 5/8" Trapper
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230884205644?ss ... 1555.l2649
4 5/8" Trapper
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230884205644?ss ... 1555.l2649
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CASE made these for decades, in every conceivable configuration, and probably still does. Long pull, crescent pull, 15 kinds of bone, yellow cell and yellow Delrin, etc., etc. They are called a slim trapper, and sometimes they were called banana knives. Most of the other companies, now done, also made them. They are over 4 inches. Also, keep in mind that any blade can be ground down to say, a California or Turkish clip configuration. but you can't make blades bigger.
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Again, thanks for the ideas, guys.
I'm not sure I'm describing the frame I'm looking for correctly; various makers reference it as a "serpentine," "gunstock," or just "trapper." As Tongueriver surmised, I'm talking about the frame pattern that Case designates as the "54" except I'm looking for a larger size. The only Case trapper I have on hand is an older knife with no pattern number, but I think it is a "54." Overall length (closed) is 4 1/8"--the same as my Western trapper, the Schrade 96OT, etc. Right now I'm looking for a similar knife, only larger.
Digging through the references I've got here, Case seems to have originated this pattern in the format we know as a "trapper," back about 1920. Before that, the same or similar frame was used for what was called a "slim jack knife" or "slim dogleg jack knife." The Sheffield makers in particular seem to have had a number of variations on this pattern, and in several sizes--I may have to look for older Brit iron in hopes of finding what I'm looking for.
Another option that has been suggested is the "banana" pattern, perhaps best known today in the form of the Remington H-T-T ("Hunter Trader Trapper). There were a number of makers and blade combinations, lengths seem to be right about 5 3/8" closed. The pattern was fairly popular in the early 1900s. Sometime this week, a "loaner" will begin working its way to me for a trial run.
Any other thoughts/ideas/suggestions?
I'm not sure I'm describing the frame I'm looking for correctly; various makers reference it as a "serpentine," "gunstock," or just "trapper." As Tongueriver surmised, I'm talking about the frame pattern that Case designates as the "54" except I'm looking for a larger size. The only Case trapper I have on hand is an older knife with no pattern number, but I think it is a "54." Overall length (closed) is 4 1/8"--the same as my Western trapper, the Schrade 96OT, etc. Right now I'm looking for a similar knife, only larger.
Digging through the references I've got here, Case seems to have originated this pattern in the format we know as a "trapper," back about 1920. Before that, the same or similar frame was used for what was called a "slim jack knife" or "slim dogleg jack knife." The Sheffield makers in particular seem to have had a number of variations on this pattern, and in several sizes--I may have to look for older Brit iron in hopes of finding what I'm looking for.
Another option that has been suggested is the "banana" pattern, perhaps best known today in the form of the Remington H-T-T ("Hunter Trader Trapper). There were a number of makers and blade combinations, lengths seem to be right about 5 3/8" closed. The pattern was fairly popular in the early 1900s. Sometime this week, a "loaner" will begin working its way to me for a trial run.
Any other thoughts/ideas/suggestions?
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How about the Queen English Jack ???____ 4 1/2 inches closed __ clip or spear blade****___Monk
http://www.ebay.com/itm/QUEEN-CUTLERY-K ... 2c662bdd57
1988 Winchester lockback Hunter___5 3/8 closed__USA
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Winchester-Knif ... 43b6095032
Winchester Large Hunter Trappe___5 1/8 closed
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINCHESTER-LARG ... 58886a13a5
http://www.ebay.com/itm/QUEEN-CUTLERY-K ... 2c662bdd57
1988 Winchester lockback Hunter___5 3/8 closed__USA
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Winchester-Knif ... 43b6095032
Winchester Large Hunter Trappe___5 1/8 closed
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINCHESTER-LARG ... 58886a13a5
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Here is just what you need. I just put it on ebay.
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Big Monk, my experience with Queen has been such that I no longer purchase them sight unseen, unless I know and trust the seller. Too bad, because that English jack is a nice looking knife--I've been kicking around the idea of trying to locate one of the Sheffield-made knives of that pattern just because they are so neat.
JackKnifeBen, that's a nice looking knife--too nice for me! We aren't sure if the one that will be heading this way next week is a Napanoch or Utica; from the description, the clip is a little longer than on the Remington R293 HTT. But the bone is worn, the spey is a bit tipped and re-shaped; I can use it with a clear conscience. Probably won't clean it like I did my Schrade 194OT today (set it in a parts-cleaner for 30 minutes) but then again, if I use it for what I did the 194OT, I'll probably need to do some drastic cleaning.
JackKnifeBen, that's a nice looking knife--too nice for me! We aren't sure if the one that will be heading this way next week is a Napanoch or Utica; from the description, the clip is a little longer than on the Remington R293 HTT. But the bone is worn, the spey is a bit tipped and re-shaped; I can use it with a clear conscience. Probably won't clean it like I did my Schrade 194OT today (set it in a parts-cleaner for 30 minutes) but then again, if I use it for what I did the 194OT, I'll probably need to do some drastic cleaning.