German Owl Head knives?

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German Owl Head knives?

Postby alexander » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:34 pm

Do any of you guys know abotu these? I've found a couple on fleaBay, but I don't know if they're any good.
Any info? Where are they made? Are they well-made? What steel?
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Alex

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Postby Hukk » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:46 am

Where they are made seems to be kept a secret and only a few select dealers are approved for the US. They have no marketing, I've been looking on the internet for 2 years, without luck. The abalone handles are exactly the same style as Rough Riders, RR's are a better knife. Owlhead will never be a collectable, tang stamps are from made up places that can't be researched. Why are they hiding? I tested them with RR's and Steel Warrior by Frost and 2 years ago they fit the group. Since then, RR's and Steel Warriors have improved. Owl Head has not changed and I wouldn't own one, I don't care who makes them.
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Postby alexander » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:34 pm

thanx

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Postby Roger - 50/2050 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:43 pm

Howdy Boys,

I agree with Hukk on these Owlhead knives, at one time I had a few older ones (maybe mid 80's so they looked to me?) with the German Tang but could not find out anything on them ::doh:: ::td:: so I gave them away on EBay ::disgust::


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Postby Hukk » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:44 pm

You're welcome, I supect that they are Chinese with German names-ever find a knife company called Munich Ironworks, I have been looking, no luck. We tested Rough Riders, Steel Warriors and the Owl Head finished a distant last.
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Postby Roger - 50/2050 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:56 pm

Hey Hukk,

I did hear a rumor at one time that Owlhead knives had their parts (frame, blades, back springs) made in Germany & were assembled by the Japanese but nothing strong enough to confirm this to be true fact!


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Postby Hukk » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:30 pm

Roger - 50/2050 wrote:Hey Hukk,

I did hear a rumor at one time that Owlhead knives had their parts (frame, blades, back springs) made in Germany & were assembled by the Japanese but nothing strong enough to confirm this to be true fact!


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I heard that they were German Steel, but assembled in China. I believed that one because the abalone celluloid handles looked exactly like those of a Rough Riders abalone celleloid handles. Because of the handles, I believed China, because Japan is no longer a cheap place to make knives. They may have started in Japan and moved out as costs rose. Today, can Japan make a $9.00 knife? Anyway, in a comparison test, they did poorly, they call the handles Corolon, rather than celluloid.

Roger, that's part of the problem with these knives, so many have heard different stories, what do you believe. After all these years, you can find nothing about them. I guess the way to find out is to identify all the sellers on eBay that sell them and look for a common thread, what knives do they sell with Owl Head.
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Postby El Lobo » Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:23 pm

Here is an interesting piece. Written in defense of Chinese made knives, by an eBay seller (KY Knives) who sells predominantly knives imported from China. He mentions Owl Head as being from China. Not definitve information, but information none the less. In reading his listings, he shows a deftness in skirting the country of origin. So maybe he thinks his customers aren't yet sold on the Chinese production? Or, maybe I'm mistaken.

http://reviews.ebay.com/Be-Aware-of-Chi ... 1:SEARCH:1

Though for personal reasons, I don't use, collect, or offer them, I'm not passing judgement or taking sides here, just providing some information for discussion.

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Postby Hukk » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:31 pm

Thanks for the post El Lobo, I read his article and I will say that there are some good carriers, but nothing I would collect. Of the knives I tested, I would rate the Steel Warrior by Frost as the best of the lot, BUT, the knives in general are so small. The saddlehorn I have is so small that my pinkie finger is bigger than the knife behind the front bolster. Speaking of bolsters, I do not like many of the Steel Warrior's front bolsters. In general if you have large hands, many of these knives are useless. The Owl Head just does not stack up to the others as far as quality goes. I will say the writer is correct, there is a place for Chinese knives, I need something to gut catfish. Seriously though, the quality is getting better, 2 years ago, I was not impressed, Today, I must admit they are on to something, they can deliver a quality knife for $15.00 at least from the small group of knives I sampled.
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Postby jonet143 » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:10 pm

i agree. some of their knives make good workers. very few of us will take a higher quality, i.e.$ knife to do every day knife work. you must be able to inspect many of the chinese knives to find one that's made well. new case knives are not suited for heavy work in most cases. old case knives are too valuable. politics dictate that china has the right to market their products in the U.S.A. these knives can be had for $3 and up, so if you mess one up, so what? get another one.
there are some who will collect them and enjoy. i'm not empressed by the quality of any of them. frost steel warriors are the best overall of the bunch. but that is not saying much. even the new case jewelery is far more quality.
i have been given several as gifts from well meaning non-knifer friends so i relegate them to emergency hide away knives, backpack, glove compartment, etc. if i need one i'll certainly use one. but for me personally, i will continue to buy and use higher quality. if i could'nt afford an american, german, jap, or any other quality knife i would consider a chinese knife. their quality has gotten better and will probably improve over time. where will the name knife companies go? away!

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Postby Hukk » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:33 pm

jonet143 wrote:i agree. some of their knives make good workers. very few of us will take a higher quality, i.e.$ knife to do every day knife work. you must be able to inspect many of the chinese knives to find one that's made well. new case knives are not suited for heavy work in most cases. old case knives are too valuable. politics dictate that china has the right to market their products in the U.S.A. these knives can be had for $3 and up, so if you mess one up, so what? get another one.
there are some who will collect them and enjoy. i'm not empressed by the quality of any of them. frost steel warriors are the best overall of the bunch. but that is not saying much. even the new case jewelery is far more quality.
i have been given several as gifts from well meaning non-knifer friends so i relegate them to emergency hide away knives, backpack, glove compartment, etc. if i need one i'll certainly use one. but for me personally, i will continue to buy and use higher quality. if i could'nt afford an american, german, jap, or any other quality knife i would consider a chinese knife. their quality has gotten better and will probably improve over time. where will the name knife companies go? away!

not to offend anyone - johnnie


Hi Johnnie just an FYI that I got from a good friend who Frost is chasing to be a dealer, "In the next year thare are changes and controls in place to make Frost knives a superior product." Whether this is a sales pitch or an actual fact remains to be seen. Something to think about was my thought as I read that email.
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Postby nmikash » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:17 am

I will throw my 2cents in here as well. Many of the Chinese made knives have somewhat deceptive names: German Creek, German Owl Head, U.S. Classics, etc. They are not going out of their way to promote the fact that they are made in China, probably because a lot of people will not give them a chance.

I have about a half dozen rough riders, and can say that they are decent work knives. I buy them to use, not collect. The quality is somewhat variable, I have two congress pattern knives and one clearly has thicker blades than the other. I personally find it easier to scratch up one of these than one of my Cases, or Queens. I can always replace it for about $10.
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Postby jonet143 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:55 am

hey darrell, that is something to think about. but... superior to what. when and if frost makes a collectable knife, i'll still have a hard time choosing one of them over an american made knife. wages, cost of living are both big factors in american cutlery. even german knives are less expensive on the whole. the slaves in china that build or assemble these knives have work that feeds their families. frost gets a new swimmng pool. he has the right to make as much money as he can but out-sourcing will imo do more harm to our ravaged economy.
cheap chinese knives are here to stay so use em and abuse em, but untill all my knifer buddies quit selling and trading, i know where my hard earned money will be spent. oops, just fell off my soapbox.

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Postby Hukk » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:05 pm

I merely acknowledge the presence and growing quality of Chinese knives, you have to. I own one Steel Warrior Chinese knife that is a user the others are an Imperial Barlow, an old Parker Bobcat, and a Chris Bostwick folder. Why don't people use the American Made knives as users, I do. Something to think about: Why do folks keep the Chinese knife industry going strong buy buying Chinese knives as users? Why don't you use American knives as users, I do. My main knife is a Custom Chris Bostwick, not a cheap knife but a QUALITY knife and GREAT user. Why continue the practice of buying Chinese knives when you could buy American for the same thing? This is what keeps that industry going. I have only one Chinese knife that has a special etch that was a gift, I'll keep it. All the others I bought for evaluation and then resold them on eBay. Something to think about: Why not use American knives as users? If you really care about our economy, WHY would you buy a Chinese knife as a user rather than American? I'll take my Chris Bostwick folder any day and I do use it and carry it daily. I'm proud to show my user, how about you guys? ::nod::
Thanks, but I like my fork! :lol:
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Postby jonet143 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:36 pm

i agree. i carry and use one of several later model case knives daily. if you use a knife for a job other than for what they're intended, breakage and injury can result. no matter where its made. most people would'nt know a chinese knife from an american made. but i do.
i don't buy chinese knives but i have been given several as gifts. being an avid knifer, i inspected them very carefully. servicable steel but no character. i have found a real use though. i have been customizing fixed blades for a while but i was not comfortable enough to tackle an american folder. i am in the middle of rehandleing and file working an american cutlery congress. if i were to mess up i have'nt lost a great deal. so here we are. we are not going to stop the influx of asian knives and maybe the quality will get better. i won't help them.

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