Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

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Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby philco » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:18 pm

Below is a link to a knife listed currently on ebay. It is a fake. I know it is fake and I'll share with you why I know that after I've given a few others a chance to see if they can tell why it's definately a fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/CASE-Tested-XX-Boy- ... 19c3669553

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby Miller Bro's » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:49 pm

It`s a L.F. & C. frame with a Case master blade put in it :wink:
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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby Elvis » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:56 pm

At first glance, I don't like that shield for a Case Knife, but the front right blade in the bottom picture is a blade that Case produced as a can opener. As far as I know, no one else used that blade. With that said, I don't doubt you. That's all I could get from the pictures above. I'll click on the link and see if I can solve the mystery. I like the way you presented this one. It makes it more fun to "find the flaw" and only because you say you're sure.

Okay, Miller Bro's post came in while I was typing. Can we explain the can opener? I could be mistaken, but I thought I saw Knifeaholic say once that, that particular blade was only made by Case. On to the auction.......... ::shrug::
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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby Elvis » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:29 pm

Cruising ebay, I've found Imperial's, Ulster's, and LF&C's with that shield. Since Case never made an Official BSA Knife, we know that the frame isn't right, assuming the shield, handles and frame came from the same place. Wouldn't that leave us with both blades on that end having been changed? Here are the links to a couple of "for real" auctions. Imperial and LF&C:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Boy-Scout-Pocket-Knife-Imperial-/250777639376?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3a638319d0
http://cgi.ebay.com/EARLY-BOY-SCOUT-POCKET-KNIFE-L-F-C-UNIVERSAL-O4666-/260741697336?pt=Collectible_Knives&hash=item3cb56a8f38

I'm going to guess they used the frame of an Imperial or Ulster. Opinions? Excuse me if it seems like I'm having fun with this, because I am. I love a good mystery.
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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby philco » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:35 pm

::smirk:: Bob you is gettin hotter, hotter, burnin up. :lol:

Anyone else ?


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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby Aimus Moses » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:56 pm

Well, besides Case never made an Offical Boy Scouts knife, is the blade placement wrong also?

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby gary » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:12 pm

Bail should be penned, frame is wrong, punch blade looks wrong, LF&C shield looks wrong, and I thought they had brass liners. How's that for a guess?

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby philco » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:22 pm

Keep em coming guys. :mrgreen:

I'll even give you guys a clue..............here it is............"2005".

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby gary » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:04 pm

Is 2005 the first year Case made a BSA knife?

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby Bladeaholic » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:46 pm

Amazing, not one pic. of the tang stamp ::paranoid::

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby philco » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:25 pm

gary wrote:Is 2005 the first year Case made a BSA knife?


BINGO!

Case never made an official Boy Scout knife until the year 2005, so a "Tested" era official Case Boy Scout knife would obviously be a fake.

Dimitri has it right that the frame for the ebay knife appears to be from an L.F.& C. official Boy Scout knife.

I have attached below a picture that has one of the original L.F.& C. official Boy Scout knives like the one I suspect was used for the doner frame. The bolsters are a bit different so I'm not positive more than two knives were canabalized to produce this hunk-o-junk now offered for sale.

I have also attached my only example of the style of Case knife that apparently was utliized for the spear blade and the can opener blade.

Also posted below is a poor picture of the first official Boy Scout knives that Case produced in 2005. I added them cause I like showing em off. :P

Thanks for all the replys.

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby Aimus Moses » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:21 pm

Yep! I was writing exactly everything you said phil when I accidently hit the submit button before I got it all typed......... ::paranoid:: :lol: Na, I didn't have a clue except for the ones you guys posted. It was a good learning experience though. ::tu::

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby AllenMcB » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:27 am

The shield is LF&C.

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Case never used that shield, and didn't make an official BSA knife until recent years.
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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby bonehead » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:23 am

Philco,

Just curious, On all the Case Scout Knives of Pattern 6445R in the Tested Era, I thought they all the pattern number stamped?

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Re: Fake Case Tested Boy Scout Knife

Postby FRJ » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:48 am

Nice mystery Phil. I enjoyed the suspence, but I didn't know squat about any of it. I'm still curious though. It was stated that L.F. & C. made the B.S.A. shield. Did all knife makers make their own B.S.A. shields? Didn't Boy Scouts of America have there own specific design for their shield?
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