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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:54 pm 
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Take a good look at this one! ::disgust::



http://cgi.ebay.com/Case-Bros-Cut-Co-US ... 911.c0.m14

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:58 pm 
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That's not a fake...its a new knife as the seller does state. Case has brought back many of the old "family brands" tang stampings and they are using them on new knife issues - Case Brothers, Kinfolks, Standard, and Crandall...maybe others. Case releases new issues with these old names.

That seller does of course sell many, many reworked older knives bt this one is as he states...though I do not know whether the blade is really ATS-34.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:05 am 
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::doh:: A blank where a blade is supposed to be - it's not a knife - yet.

This sucker was just put together, it's not a second because it was never completed. I just have a problem with the way this auction is written. If it is not ATS-34, then how are you going to heat treat the blade - well, you're not going to be able to. It's just parts thrown together. ::paranoid::

::dang:: I guess that Case Bros. Cutlery tang stamp looks like it was etched rather than stamped too.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:19 am 
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I did not look at all the pics before but youre right Hukk...the blade is not even ground yet. Case grinds their blades before the knife is assembled of course so someone cobbled this knife out of unfinished parts.

The tang stamp is ok though...that is how they look after the blade comes out of the progressive dies at the factory as I have observed on factory tours.

And it is ATS-34 - Case does use that steel on a few of their premium knives.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:27 am 
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knifeaholic wrote:

The tang stamp is ok though...that is how they look after the blade comes out of the progressive dies at the factory as I have observed on factory tours.

And it is ATS-34 - Case does use that steel on a few of their premium knives.

Thanks, good to know, it just did not look right. That would explain why it looks etched. ::tu:: ::tu::

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Hukk wrote:
This sucker was just put together, it's not a second because it was never completed. I just have a problem with the way this auction is written.


hukk, I have a problem with the way it is written too!

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That's not a fake...its a new knife as the seller does state.


Actually the seller states it is a "newer" knife and is not sure of it`s age.

Also, why would he list the auction in the Vintage pre 1970 category if it is a new reproduction? ::td::

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Well it is a FACT that the knife (or I should say the assembled parts) is authentic in that it did come from the Case factory within the past few years. If you don't believe me, send the link to Case and they can show you pictures of the current Case Brothers knives that they produce. Or go to Case's web site and you will see the new Case Brothers knives (not necessarily this pattern since it may have been from a few years ago).

I agree the seller is a slimeball and is trying to misrepresent the knife to some extent.


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Steve,

I believe you 100%!

What I don`t believe is this guy suggesting that the knife is a factory second and placing the knife for sale in the vintage category for sale instead of in the modern category. Also suggesting he does not know for sure the age of the knife!

The knife is marked Case Bro`s., to a novice collector he automatically thinks the knife is old due to the early tang stamp. This is what this seller is trying to do is play on a novices inexperience in being able to recognize a vintage knife verses a modern knife. New collectors tend to just look at the tang stamp and believe the knife is old, when in fact it is not.

This brings us to the problem, as I see it, of a knife company like Case re-issuing new knives with old tang stamps. Case is not the only who has done this and won`t be the last. The only reason Case makes knives like this is many collectors cannot afford an authentic early Case Bro`s knife. So they are filling a demand, the problem comes in when a greedy fleabay seller takes these knives and tries to pass them off as vintage, as this seller is partially trying to do.

He is covering himself by stating the knife is newer, but he is not sure of the exact age. Then he lists it for sale in the Vintage pre 1970 category. ::doh:: ::td::

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Dimitri;

I just wanted to make sure that people out there knew that Case is indeed reissuing knives with the older stampings...you're right that can always be a bit dicey, it would be nice of they would mark the year on them too.

The knife for sale is odd...I wonder how those parts got out of the factory unfinished like that.

And yes this seller is a con man; he is trying to misrepresent this knife. You should see how Bernard Levine cuts this guy apart over on Blade Forums pretty regularly. It's brutal. The seller always has reworks up for sale represented as originals.


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knifeaholic wrote:
And yes this seller is a con man; he is trying to misrepresent this knife. You should see how Bernard Levine cuts this guy apart over on Blade Forums pretty regularly. It's brutal. The seller always has reworks up for sale represented as originals


With all the fakes and reworked knives he sells How does he maintain 100% positive feedback?? ::huff:: ::dang:: ::shrug::


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:14 am 
besides case doesnt let 2nds out the door all there rejected parts and finnished knives go to 2 local steel handling plants with a case employee and he personally watches every last piece go through a hammermill ive personally ::shrug:: put 20 or 30,000 lbs of them through the hammermill those where sad days ::shrug::


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MILLER BRO`S wrote:
With all the fakes and reworked knives he sells How does he maintain 100% positive feedback?? ::huff:: ::dang:: ::shrug::
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M.B.,
I have a theory about that question. You can only leave feedback if you are the buyer. Once you leave feedback, it cannot be ammended or removed by the buyer.
Anyone who knows the knife is cobbled or fake is not going to buy it. Only the unsuspecting are likely to be bidding and eventually becoming the "winner", and thus becoming eligible to leave feedback.
Most folks leave their feedback shortly after they receive the item, usually after they open the package and give the item the once over.
It usually takes someone a while to find out that what they thought was the real McCoy is in fact bogus. If, by then they have left their feedback, it's now too late to change what they entered.
Still one has to wonder how long an unscrupulous seller can continue to retain a 100% positive rating while preying on the public.

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philco wrote:
Still one has to wonder how long an unscrupulous seller can continue to retain a 100% positive rating while preying on the public.

Phil


On Ebay, it seems as if the % ratings only reflect the last year. I've seen some that had less than perfect ratings in the past now have 100%.

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What did ya"ll think of his other knives? The Case with the secondary blade having the pull on the wrong side.


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I'm not convinced that the stamp is real. Ole Brett is a known purveyor of fakes and such. The blade is rough cut from stock, its not ground or polished. Why would you stamp the blade before you at least polish off the cut marks from the saw? By the time you get to the finished pruduct the stamp will be worn down to nothing. Besides, a close look tells its done with a pantograph, not a stamp. The curved stamp on close inspection has a lot of little swirls in it, and look at the other stamp, there are quite obvious telltales of where the pantograph engraver started, stopped and changed directions on the sharp corners.
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